15 inch SPL competition subwoofers

Posted by admin | 15 inch subwoofers | Monday 14 September 2009 1:27 pm

You’re probably here because you’re looking for bass.
Not bass , BASS!
and not any BASS!
You’re looking for SPL BASS!
That kind of BASS that makes girls’ hair fly, windows blow out, and dogs howl…

Shattering Rediculous Bass

Shattering Rediculous Bass

We’re talking today about big bass that can hold a presence at a Sound Pressure Level (SPL) competition.

The trick to SPL is a combination of three things:

1- Choice of subwoofer (Driver)
2- Choice of enclosure (Box)
3- Amount of power (Wattage).

If we take the first item and scrutinize it, then a good SPL subwoofer will be designed in a way that allows it to reach peak pressure levels at a single dedicated frequency, in a signle dedicated enclosure, playing the perfect track, and measured at exactly the right place.

One of the things to consider here are the mechanics and electrics of the speaker …

A speaker with a larger area (such as a 15 inch subwoofer compared to a 12 inch subwoofer) will be able to move more air per stroke. The more air we can move, the more air (sound) pressure we can create, and the higher the SPL.

At the same time different speakers have different stroke lengths (how far the speaker moves forwards and backwards in a bass hit) known as xMax (maximum excursion). A speaker with double the xMax will move double the air volume per stroke compared to a similar diameter speaker.

Thirdly, speakers have a resonant frequency FS where the speaker is most happy to move at its maximum stroke and can make the most out of it size performance. For example a speaker with a resonant frequency of 50hz when coupled with a box enclosure that allows it to play at 50hz will be able to produce 25% more air volume in a second than a similar driver with a resonant frequency of 40hz playing at 40hz.

Obviously if we’re looking high quality bass (at all frequencies) we would not want to amplify the resonance characteristic of the driver… but if you’re looking for that single high pressure competition winning bass hit, then milking every advantage that you can out of your speaker becomes necessary.

Because it’s complex to measure these things and simulate them, engineers have come up with a standardized measure of SPL performance for a speaker called sensitivity. Sensitivity is typically between 80 and 100 dB @ 50hz @ 1 Watt @ 1 meter.

What this means is that a speaker with a sensitivity of 85dB will create 85 decibels of sound pressure when playing a 50 hertz sign wave and powered with 1 watt of power measured at a standardized distance of 1 meter away.

Based on this information, I have chosen to showcase two drivers here that I would gladly take into competition…

Pyle PLD15WD

Pyle PLD15WDCustom Titanium Moulded Poly Cone
Custom Grooved Specially Treated Rubber Surround
Diamond Cut Aluminum Die-Cast Basket
Dual Stacked Magnet Structure
Chrome Mesh Magnet Vent
2.5” 4 Layer Dual Voice Coil
Moulded Plastic Gasket
Spring Loaded Wire Connectors
4000 Watts Peak Power
Magnet Weight: 2 x 100 oz.
Nominal Impedance: Dual 4 Ohms
Fs:20,
Qms:5.03,
Qes:0.89,
Qts:0.66,
Vas (Cu ft)8.689
SPL: 92 dB
Overall Diameter: 16”
Mounting Depth: 6.40”

What’s great about this driver is that it combines higher power handling (4000 Watts at peak) WITH high sensitivity over 90dB (92 dB to be exact).

Let’s take this subwoofer, and mount it in a 9 cubic foot enclosure, powered by a 4000 watt amplifier, and ‘wall loaded’ playing upwards and reflecting into the passenger compartment reflected off of the glass hatchback…

Measuring the resulting sound pressure level about 6 feet away in the driver seat will result in an impressive 126 dB SPL!

This is 4 times louder than the maximum recommended safe listening level of 110dB and if you listen to it straight for more than 6 minutes it WILL cause hearing loss… (not that you will be listening to it at full blast from your driver seat… ) but when competition comes around, or you and your friends are having a sound off… this thing will shake the earth.

Note: Click here to get your Pyle PLD15WD 15 inch SPL competition subwoofers, get pavement-cracking BASS, and save 115 dollars off retail!

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Shallow mount subwoofers in comparison

Posted by admin | subwoofer design | Sunday 6 September 2009 8:39 pm

In this post we will compare shallow mount subwoofers vs a similarly sized ‘deep basket’ subwoofer. The application in question here is a 2005 C200 Kompressor which is my current vehicle.

The car is equipped with a nice Harmon Kardon 7.1 speaker system comprising a front center channel, a component pair in the front doors, a two-way 6.5″ speaker in each of the rear doors and a single subwoofer mounted in the parcel shelf of the car.
Notice the dual wirings...

Notice the dual wirings...

After some further research on the topic, I stumbled on some pictures of the installed factory subwoofer. If you zoom in on the picture, the print on the back of the voice coil seems to say the following.

Q8 8″ Diameter
4/4Ω Dual 4 ohm voice coil
140W 140 watt peak power
A203 … The mercedes part number
Made in Hungary Cool to know
So that gives us the data we need to look for an upgraded subwoofer for my car.

It also tells us that the factory setup is not a sealed ‘free air’ install or infinite baffle install but rather a large vented setup using the entire 12.4 cubic feet of trunk space as a subwoofer box venting through about 6 2″ wide vents. Interesting.

Vented trunk space is clear in this picture

Vented trunk space is clear in this picture

Now looking at the install pictures, I further wondered: Would it be easier to install a higher quality shallow mount subwoofer in the factory mounting location ? Or do I stand to gain some good bass by mounting a regular subwoofer to the same location on the opposite side of the parcel shelf protruding into the trunk ? To perform this comparison, I didn’t have any data about the factory subwoofer, however I thorough search on Amazon and came up with two possible candidates. Each of these candidates is an 8″ subwoofer. Both are electrically equivalent with an equivalent resistance of 2 ohms. Both are from the same manufacturer, which should make this a fair comparison of the design appropriation of each of these subwoofers for our application.

Kicker 08CVT82 Kicker 07CVR84
Product Kicker 08CVT82 Kicker 07CVR84
Style Shallow Mount Typical Subwoofer
Size 8 inch subwoofer 8 inch subwoofer
Voice coil Single 2 ohms Dual 4 ohms
Power Handling 200W RMS / 400W Peak 200W RMS / 400W Peak
Frequency Response 25 to 350 Hz 30 to 500 Hz
Sensitivity 84.8 dB 83.1 dB
Displacement 30.4 Cubic Inches 41.1 Cubic Inches
Max Excursion (ExMax) 0.226″ 0.408″
Qms 10.641 9.36
Qes 0.597 0.912
Qts 0.565 0.831
Vas 0.364 cu. ft. 0.495 cu. ft.
Mounting Depth 3.38″ 4.31″
Resonant Frequency (Fs) 49.2 Hz 44.3 Hz

Somethings jump at me right off the bat here. The regular subwoofer has about 1″ more depth to it (or 25% deeper) but it has almost double the max excursion. Also if you look at the resonance figures (Qms, Qes, Qts) we see that overall the shallow mount is less resonant and more damped. This makes sense since this subwoofer has limited space to work with so it can’t be allowed to have a great excursion , and we expect to see it installed in tiny boxes which require more damping. The last thing to note here is a slightly higher resonant frequency (Fs) for the shallow mount which means I’d expect slightly deeper bass from the regular basket woofer.

Now this is all expectation and I wanted to go one step further and analyze my expectations against simulation results… To perform the simulation, I needed two figures from my enclosure to enter into the simulator:

My enclosure volume:
Is my trunk volume which is a massive 12.4 cubic feet as I looked it up online.

My enclosure tuned frequency:
I estimated this around 40 hz. If you listen to the sound system on my car, it plays songs like 50 Cent – Hustler’s ambition with authority. But the system struggles to play deeper bass notes stereotypical of some of the more experimental techno music I listen to. It also struggles to play some of the higher bass frequencies into the mid-bass region. So my guesstimate of 40hz is just that a guess, but it is probably true and serves well for illustrative purposes here.

Plugging all the numbers above into the simulator you can see here the response of the shallow mount on the bottom curve, with the response of the deep basket subwoofer on top.

Shallow_mount_vs_regular_subwoofer

There is no comparison here as the regular subwoofer holds at least a +3dB gain over the shallow mount almost for the entire frequency range. Amazing.

What this means is that I stand to DOUBLE my bass loudness by simply swapping the top mounted shallow mount for a regular subwoofer trunk mounted, using the same amplifer, and the same ‘enclosure’! That is awesome for a low buck upgrade to my factory sound system without the complication of a full subwoofer box, amps, wiring …etc

Then I thought, what do I stand to gain if I sealed the bass ports and turned this into a free air install with a sealed trunk acting as my box…

Current_Sealed_vs_Current_Vented

As you can see from the picture above, sealing the bass ports on the factory trunk would give me a reasonable gain in the subsonic frequencies which would be fun for some genres of trance music, but I will loose all that nice authoritive bass when listening to hip hop and other genres of music (a 15dB drop will kill the bass). So unless I was going to upgrade to a higher powered amplifier, going to a sealed solution was probably the wrong way to go in this application.

Then I thought, I wonder how differently the two subwoofers in question here would perform in their own optimized enclosures… The optimum enclosure for the shallow mount is a tiny 1.1 cubic foot box tuned for a frequency of 35 Hz, while the optimum enclosure for our regular subwoofer is a much larger 5.4 cubic foot box tuned for a much lower frequency of 21 hz.

Optimum_Vented_Normal

Looking at the plot above, you can see that shallow mount, when used properly can give a very good frequency response playing as deep as 30hz (where the gain rolls off to -3dB). However, the regular subwoofer, with it’s lower resonant frequency, slightly less damped cone, and greater excursion is able to add another 10hz of subsonic playing as low as 20hz (where the gain rolls off to -3dB)…. So let’s recap what we just found out:

1- In a hap hazard enclosure, the regular subwoofer will play louder and deeper than the shallow mount.

2- As we already knew, sealed enclosures play deeper into the subsonic but there may be a loss compared to a tuned vented box depending on port tuning. For factory systems with limited power from the factory amplifier, vented enclosures are probable the best bang for the watt.

3- Shallow mounts can perform really well if used in the right sized enclosure and are a great option when space limitations are an issue.

Very interesting results and I’m really considering now purchasing myself a single Kicker 07CVR84 and installing it in my trunk using an 8″ spacer ring (at least 0.4″ thick to allow it to reach max excursion without touching the bottom of the parcel shelf).

bottom of the parcel shelf

Note: Click here to purchase Kicker 08CVT82 Shallow Mount Subwoofers and make the most out of your limited space enclosure! Or click here to purchase the more powerful Kicker 07CVR84 subwoofer for your car.

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